Tuesday, October 21, 2008

The Comprehensive Case Against Obama

Hot Air has an amazingly thorough essay (complete with videos) on why you should vote against Obama. BTW: The only way to vote against Obama is to vote for McCain. If you have any doubts about the result of conservatives voting third party, just recall who became president with 43% of the vote in 1993.

11 comments:

Gail said...

so we should always vote for one of the top two parties regardless of if we agree with them or not? Hmm makes sense don't vote 3rd party ever vote the top two parties and this country will never ever ever rebound. Now it may not even if you vote 3rd party but at least you'll vote what may be right. oh and about the 43% that is only because not enough people either a voted for ross perot or b voted for Bush sr,that's a fact plain and simple people use this as a cop out to sway you from voting your principles. oh if you don't vote this then that will happen. Why concern yourself with that seriously? Why? How about hey if you vote a candidate on your own principles because you agree with them just maybe then something good will happen. clearly phillip and i disagree he invaded my blog :p now it's my turn ok enough said i'll reserve my comments for my own blog. http://gtknights.blogspot.com

Philip said...

I thought this post might draw you out . . .

I think some people voting with their "principles" are actually voting with their pride. Throwing away your vote and then hoping blindly in some kind of miracle smacks more of testing God than exercising faith.

You will never get the chance to vote for a perfect candidate. You will always be choosing the lesser of evils. It just so happens that, in our country, only two guys have a shot at winning. The responsible position is to pick one of them (yes, the "less evil" one).

If you want a better nominee for next time, you get a say during the primary--that's what it's for. The general election is for shutting out the worst choice. Period.

Gail said...

i figured this post was to draw me out. Oh so because the nation says i have to choose between evil then i have to?
I know there will never be a perfect candidate but I have a line that line is Life Mcain and Obama both cross it, so i have to vote something else.
No it's not pride it's principle. so you will not vote principles what you just said "You will always be choosing the lesser of evils." That's not true there are other options It just so happens that, in our country, only two guys have a shot at winning." That's because our country won't stand up!! which means you will compromise your beliefs for the greater good. That's not biblical at all. you have one thing going for you phillip you admit you are voting for the lesser of two evils. Most i talk too won't even admit that oh no mcain not lesser of evil mcain just on the line! come on! Bad thing is Phillip Evil is Evil. I hope i never vote for it!! Next election you will vote for an abortionist in the Republican party count on it! voting mcain, The mother can Kill the baby if it was rape that's what he says. I promise i am not voting on pride i have truly prayed about it. Many regardless of what they are voting are voting out of pride maybe republican pride or democrat pride etc.
Anyway i digress and agree to disagree until you post something else i disagree with :) LOL

Gail said...

to be clear there probably is some pride involved in who i vote for I am proud of my principles, I should not be. The bible teaches against pride. I try not to be it's a hard thing. Especially with blogs etc they just help enable me!

Stephen said...

While the Democrats are clearly worse, Republicans have shown themselves unwilling or unable to stop our nation's descent into depravity or its march toward socialism.

Essentially, the Democrat and Republican parties are merely the liberal and conservative wings of the corrupt political monopoly that will, if unchecked, destroy this country. As difficult as it may be to admit, a third party option now represents the last best hope for the future of America.

Philip said...

So let me give you two options, and you can tell me which is more logical and reasonable:

1. You being mad because I didn't vote for [insert third party loser here] and he falls one vote shy of getting 2% of the vote.

2. Me being mad because you didn't vote for McCain and he falls one vote shy of getting 50.1% in, say, Ohio for the win.

Both scenarios might give us Barack Obama as the next president, but only option two gives someone a legitimate reason for anger.

Stephen said...

Don't blame the conscientious voter. If John McCain failed to earn my vote, that's his fault.

Again, this boils down to a philosophical discussion of idealism versus pragmatism.

The sad reality is that America is morally bankrupt and on the road to destruction. No politician has the power to change that.

Gail said...

wow a sibling debate sweet. Stephen is now on my good side since he was on my bad side for never uploading those sermons i sent him a long time ago. So then i had to create my own site to accomplish it LOL.
I will leave this with one last thought there was a time when there were two "Major" parties(mid 1800's) and the republicans were not one of them....
I think someone just waved a magic wand and one party was gone and the republican party was here. No way someone voted for a party other than the two major ones...

Philip said...

Gail: There have always been two parties (regardless of the names) since George Washington left office (the main exception would be TR's Bull-Moose Party). Perhaps our party needs to kick a few people out and change it's name, but two weeks before the election is probably not the best time to get that going.

BTW - I got my Ohio Right to Life ad today. Here's a quote: "John McCain - Sarah Palin is the only pro-life presidential ticket that can win. A vote for anyone else is, in effect, a vote for Barack Obama." If you really cared about life, it seems like you would agree with Ohio (and National) Right to Life.

Stephen: "No politician has the power to change that." So I guess you're finished with voting--forever. Right?

Stephen said...

I'll continue to vote as a moral duty, but I don't expect it to make any meaningful difference.

Anonymous said...

Stephen...how can you say your vote will not have any “meaningful difference?" You, and millions like you, have a collective power to keep someone like Barack Hussein Obama OUT of the White House. If he gets elected (partly thanks to the glossy ideals and pet principles of all our conscientious voters out there)…he will bring to this country an unprecedented stance on abortion, that will most certainly accelerate the loss of innocent life in our country. If your vote has the potential to help preserve just ONE precious life…isn’t that a meaningful difference? Isn’t it?